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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2013.10.19 21:34:00 -
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Pffft. Its easy. You invite the newbie to your teamspeak, mumble, vent server and once you get to know him. Fleet him, give him 10 million isk to fit a whatever ship he can afford and take him to lowsec with you as FC.
Sure you might not kill anything, but the experience will get them hooked.
I mean if you pay for his ship this tells them you aren't out to blow him up for craps and giggles. If it blows up in lowsec then no harm no foul since you bankrolled him. Once he gets a taste he'll start paying for his own ships and there you go. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.10.19 21:48:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Perhaps a way of shaking people out of npc Corps would be for them to randomly wardec other npc corps based on points of lore as written about in the chronicles. Npc corps attacking each other would be awesome and if it happens often enough it might make people uncomfortable enough to leave. I would further add that the restrictions on player corps wardeccing npc corps should remain in place to protect noobs a little bit.
This idea would encourage pvp between noobs and teach them about the dynamic nature of eve online, whilst still protecting them from grief play. Nowhere should be totally safe. with a little bit of thought to avoid abuses this could work well.
Nope that will only teach people not to undock.
That or teach them to create one man throw away corps to be remade everytime they are war decced.
I suppose you are about to suggest a button on your screen that forces people to undock? "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.10.19 21:55:00 -
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Weiland Taur wrote: OP,
What are the benefits of getting more players out of NPC corps?
Sounds like someone needs to HTFU and gank people without worrying about concord. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.10.19 22:02:00 -
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Ok here is the deal. In order to have fun in PVP you need to succeed in PVP. In order to succeed in PVP you must know something about PVP. In order to know something about PVP someone has to show you how to PVP. In order for someone to show you how to PVP you have to know other people who does PVP.
This means there has to be someone willing to teach newbies how to PVP. You can't just throw people ino FW and hope they'll learn. No they'll die by themselves until they quit.
And PVP is best done in a group with different people as roles with a competent FC.
Hell you can have fun in PVP with an incompetant FC (alcohol willing).
The issue is that if you want poeople out of NPC corps, YOU must take the initative and find these players and invite them to PVP corps, show them fits, and take them on roams.
People aren't going to magically start PVPing if they don't know anything about it. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.10.19 22:03:00 -
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Weiland Taur wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Weiland Taur wrote: OP,
What are the benefits of getting more players out of NPC corps?
Sounds like someone needs to HTFU and gank people without worrying about concord. I'm failing miserably to see the connection between my comment and yours.
I'm saying the OP might be lamenting about the lack of targets. Sorry that wasn't directed at you.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.10.19 22:10:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Weiland Taur wrote: OP,
What are the benefits of getting more players out of NPC corps?
Sounds like someone needs to HTFU and gank people without worrying about concord. No, this is a fair question and one I feel should be addressed. As far as I know, there are none for the new players, none that they are immediately aware of, and that's the problem that we're discussing here. "What they don't know won't hurt them," right? Even if new players are just starting their own corps, they are stepping into the PVP environment as it was intended. They can set their own corp tax rates, create their own stations, declare war on their rivals, amongst other things. Staying in a starter NPC corp can really only end in stagnation. Even if the player plays the game for years in that state, it is still stagnation. No matter how much isk they earn, it is still stagnation. They are not developing as EVE players, they are not developing in the community, and they are basically just NPCs themselves by virtue of that. I love EVE, and believe it or not, I actually really care about the experience of other players. The last thing I want is to scare them away or make them feel excluded, though, which is why I'm trying to encourage a mature discussion about how best to include them in the community and make their experience better for it.
I would also like to point out that many people in NPC corps are veterans who for whatever reason don't want to deal with having a player run corp (awoxing and corp theft come to mind).
Often these veterans are the only people who interact with the newbies and give them advice. So its a kind of circular kind of thinking.
Actually I know a lose base of players who congregate on a team speak server that I frequent who interact all the time, but yet chose to either remain in NPC corps or their one man corps. Mostly because even though we know each other, some of us have a bad habbit of cleaning out the corp wallet and corp hanger so none of us trust each other that much. We are willing to run missions, mining ops, and sometimes go to low or null for poops and giggles.
That said, I heard the NPC corp Center for Advance studies runs null sec roams. And I know a few gankers who hang out in NPC corps. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.10.19 22:12:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Weiland Taur wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Weiland Taur wrote: OP,
What are the benefits of getting more players out of NPC corps?
Sounds like someone needs to HTFU and gank people without worrying about concord. I'm failing miserably to see the connection between my comment and yours. I'm saying the OP might be lamenting about the lack of targets. Sorry that wasn't directed at you. So, you were making assumptions about my intentions and in turn, misrepresenting my position by misunderstanding, ignoring or failing to read the OP? GD in a nutshell. Don't worry, I'm not surprised, but you should really take a look at my killboard. It's not great, but on closer inspection you'll see that I'm not concerned about CONCORD myself.
To be fair, I didn't read your post. Its just normally when someone laments NPC corps they lament the lack of targets.
If you want to really give the players a better experience, why not put an alt into NPC corp and recruit people? I knew a guy that ran a newb corp that did that. He would go into starter systems as well and spam local. He had an army of noobs at his command. Sadly his wife made him quit so the organization fell apart. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.10.19 22:35:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:And please, in future, read posts before even considering yourself qualified to comment. Anything else is jumping to conclusions, even if your conclusion is correct. At least you have the decency to admit it and take a step back though, cheers, I appreciate that.
Sorry, but I'm a professional troll on some nights. Others I am sane and logical. Sometimes I am both.
I've gotten a few threads locked. Though I have never been banned or warned. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
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